The Edge of Human & AI — Where Human Potential Meets Artificial Intelligence

The Edge

of Human & AI

Coaching is changing. AI is here. And nobody has all the answers yet. This is the podcast for coaches, leaders, and thinkers who want to go deeper than the hype — into the real questions about what it means to be human in an age of intelligent machines.

Bold conversations. Uncomfortable edges.
No easy answers. Welcome to the Edge.

Season 1 - Special

We are starting our podcast with this special season from the Leading Voices of the NYU Coaching & Technology Summit 2026. We will bring you bold, unfiltered conversations at the frontier where coaching meets technology and artificial intelligence. Expect real talk, sharp minds, and unfiltered conversations where we dare to ask the difficult questions.

The Edge of Human and AI. Season 1 Artwork for Leading Voices with NYU Photo of Rebecca Rutschmann

Season 1 - Leading Voices

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Ep. 16 59:31

with Dr. Laura Rees-Davies

Dr. Laura Rees-Davies is a Chartered Coaching Psychologist, Senior Lecturer at Cardiff Metropolitan University, and active practicing coach — and she's mid-way through something most researchers don't have the nerve to do: interviewing coaches at every point of the AI adoption spectrum, and following the data wherever it leads. What she's finding surprised even her. In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, Laura shares what 25 qualitative interviews have already revealed: coaches who've built their entire practice around AI and coaches who want nothing to do with it don't disagree on what coaching is for. They carry the same hopes. The same concerns. The same core belief — that coaching exists to help people flourish, to grow, and to eventually not need the coach anymore. The disagreement isn't about values. It's about the one question the whole field is working to answer: what is the actual difference between a human coach and an AI coach? And then there's the risk she doesn't hear enough people talking about. Not coaches being left behind. Coaches moving forward carelessly — using tools that hold sensitive conversations without informed consent, without data protection, without asking what a platform does with what gets said in a session. Or with what gets said about them. She doesn't see the danger in resistance. She sees it in acceleration without guardrails. Laura co-researches with Professor Jonathan Passmore, co-signed the Manifesto for AI in Coaching, and presented on the research panel at the NYU Coaching and Technology Summit 2026. My closing reflection might stay with you long after the episode ends. In this episode, Laura and Rebecca explore: What 25 qualitative interviews have already surfaced — and what surprised Laura most The difference between coaches who are "unskilled and unaware" vs. those who actively choose not to use AI Why "evidence-based" and "research-informed" are not the same thing — and how to tell the difference The democratic promise of AI coaching — and its real limits Why Laura worries less about coaches falling behind, and more about coaches moving forward without protecting their clients or themselves What informed consent really looks like when AI enters the coaching relationship Why the gap between sessions — the discomfort of not having an answer yet — might matter more than we think  Resources & Links Manifesto for AI in Coaching: vivalacoaching.com/manifesto Laura's AI in Coaching research survey (with Prof. Jonathan Passmore) Become AI-informed — Rebel Store: vivalacoaching.com All episodes: vivalacoaching.com/vivapodcast Participate in Laura's Research: Laura and Professor Jonathan Passmore are running a quantitative survey on self-efficacy, perceived ethical risk of AI in coaching, and professional identity. They need 250 participants — and want to hear from coaches whether or not you use AI. Listen within the next four weeks and use the survey link above to get involved.

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Ep. 15 58:00

with David Drake

There's a moment when competency stops being enough. You know the techniques. You've logged the hours. You've helped people move. And still — something in you knows there's a further shore, and the models you've mastered can't take you there. David Drake has spent 30 years mapping what lies beyond mastery. As the creator of Narrative Coaching and author of the forthcoming Five Maturities, he has been building a language for something most coaches can feel but rarely name: the difference between getting better at what you do — and becoming something different altogether. This conversation is about that becoming. In this episode, Rebecca and David explore: Why maturity is not just more mastery — and how competency models take you from novice to adequate but never to wise The Five Maturities framework and what it actually asks of a coach willing to move beyond identity and defensiveness The Third Spaces model — and why staying in the ping-pong match keeps us circling the same carousel What a rappelling guide taught David about presence, and why your feet know things your head doesn't How AI will reshape the coaching landscape — and what that frees humans to finally become And the question David returns to throughout his work: What is calling you? This is a conversation for coaches who suspect the horses could run — if they'd just let them off the carousel. Resources: David runs the Moment Institute: themomentinstitute.com His personal website: www.davidbdrake.com  His book on the Five Maturities is out in August 2026

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Ep. 14 44:40

with Sheila Boysen-Rotelli

No one prepared us for this. Not our leadership programs. Not our years of expertise. Not the organizations we built our identities inside. AI is forcing a shift that most leaders, educators, and coaches were never designed to support — and the gap between recognizing it intellectually and actually making the transition is wider, and more personal, than most people are willing to admit. In this episode, Rebecca is joined by Sheila Boysen-Rotelli — organizational consultant, researcher, academic, and coach, working at BTS and across higher education at the intersection of leadership development, adult transformation, and the future of work. Sheila has spent 15 years researching the future of work, and for the past few years has been watching it arrive in real time — in boardrooms, classrooms, and coaching sessions — in ways that are both exhilarating and deeply unsettling. Together, they explore why AI isn't just a technological disruption — it's a developmental one. Why the tools and identities that made us successful are suddenly inadequate, and what it actually takes to move from expert to learner when the stakes are real and the room is watching. They get into the uncomfortable irony of learning institutions being the most resistant to the disruption that catalyzes growth, how AI innovation is quietly emerging from the most unexpected corners of organizations, and what it looks like to co-design change instead of manage it from a distance. And then there's the part that may matter most: the honest, lived gap between knowing better and doing better. Sheila doesn't offer this from a textbook — she names it from her own experience. Someone who is getting more frustrated than usual, who is being asked to be more supportive of herself rather than harder, who is learning that the expert hat, for all its comfort, was never the whole wardrobe. The real shift isn't about reaching a summit. It's about range — the capacity to move, flex, and meet other human beings where they are. If you've ever felt quietly unprepared for what AI is asking of you — not technically, but humanly — this conversation is for you. What you'll take away: Why AI is a forcing function for vertical development — and why horizontal skills alone won't get you through what's coming The "from expert to learner" shift: what it costs, what it requires, and why most leaders resist it even when they know better The "cup" metaphor: how we confuse adding skills with actually expanding the inner capacity to hold complexity Why AI innovation in organizations is coming from the least expected places — and what leaders need to do about it The uncomfortable irony of institutions built for learning being the most resistant to the disruption that makes growth possible Why it's not about the summit — it's about range, and what that means for every leader, educator, and coach navigating today Links mentioned in this episode: Sheila on LinkedIn Find out more: https://vivalacoaching.com/vivapodcast/

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How AI Is Forcing the Leadership Shift We Were Never Prepared For | with Sheila Boysen-Rotelli

What if the most critical shift required of leaders today isn't learning a new technology, but letting go of the need to be the expert?

Sheila Boysen-Rotelli — organizational consultant, academic, and researcher at BTS — has spent 15 years studying the future of work. Today, she watches it arrive in real time across boardrooms, higher education, and executive coaching. In this conversation, Sheila and Rebecca explore why AI is a developmental disruption rather than a purely technical one—forcing us to examine how our professional identities adapt when inherited expertise is no longer enough.

Together, they unpack the uncomfortable friction within traditional learning institutions, how AI-driven innovation emerges from unexpected corners of organizations, and what it truly takes to transition from expert to lifelong learner. Grounded in Sheila’s own lived experience, this discussion offers a candid look at range, personal growth, and meeting people where they are in an AI-shaped world.

What "Client-Centered" Actually Demands in the Age of AI | featuring Jonathan Reitz

What if the biggest barrier to AI in coaching isn't the technology — it's the coach?

Jonathan Reitz has spent 29 years coaching leaders and building coaches. With a wildly unlikely backstory spanning electrical engineering, stand-up comedy, radio, and TV news—and an ADHD diagnosis just two years ago that finally explained all of it—he brings a unique perspective to our industry. Now a leading voice at the NYU AI Summit and ICF Germany, Jonathan joins Rebecca for an honest, unfiltered conversation about what "client-centered" practice actually requires of us today.

Together, they explore why humility—not methodology—is the single greatest predictor of coaching success, why clients are often more comfortable with AI in coaching than coaches themselves, and what responsible AI use looks like in practice, including the one clause that must be in every coaching contract. They also unpack a German word that stopped a 29-year coaching veteran cold, and confront a critical question about silence that the coaching world rarely answers directly. If you coach, lead, or care about human transformation in an AI-shaped world, this episode offers vital orientation.

AI Is Here to Stay — But So Are We | featuring David E. Cooley

AI Is Here to Stay — But So Are We | featuring David E. Cooley

What if the best way to amplify your humanity as a coach is to let technology handle the administrative weight?

David E. Cooley, Director of Alumni Career Services and Executive Coach at the UCLA Anderson School of Management, bridges the technical execution of AI with the deeply human art of presence. In this conversation, David shares how integrating intelligent tools like AI note-takers removes friction from the session, allowing practitioners to show up fully attentive and connected with their clients.

We look closely at the shift happening in executive development: navigating the "electronic black hole" of modern job applications, closing the gap between AI resistors and over-reliant users, and why starting with small, meaningful habits is the ultimate strategy to overcome professional overwhelm. David offers a grounded, reassuring roadmap for leaders and coaches ready to build sustainable, future-ready practices.

Viva la Humans: AI, Regulation, and Reinvention - Expanding the Conversation after NYU Coaching & Technology Summit 2026 (LIVE Recording)

What if the most critical question facing the future of coaching isn’t about the capability of AI, but about the identity of the coaching profession itself?

In this special Guardians LIVE episode, Rebecca and members of the Viva la Coaching community deliver an honest, unfiltered debrief from the 5th Annual NYU Coaching & Technology Summit. They look past the initial noise to explore the maturation of intelligent tools, the growing discussions around industry regulation, and why the traditional coaching session may be coming to an end. It is a grounded reflection on how coaching competencies can be broadened to serve as one of the most essential human skills of our time.

High-Performance Parenting - Balancing Leadership, Wellness & Family

Join Rebecca as she sits down with Neal Sundberg (Director of Care Programs at Brightline) and Nicholas Wooters (Co-Founder of Coya) during a Webinar for a deeply personal conversation about thriving as a leader both at work and at home.

Discover how wearable technology paired with health coaching creates powerful insights for managing stress, setting boundaries, and showing up fully in every role. This special request episode explores why self-care isn't selfish, it's essential modeling for your children and the foundation of sustainable high performance.

How Can We Make Care More Intelligent Without Making It Less Human?

Dr. Moain Abu Dabrh is a medical humanist, researcher at Mayo Clinic, and board member at the National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching — and he's been asking one question his entire career: How can we make care more intelligent without making it less human?

In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, he unpacks four real concerns about AI in healthcare — dehumanization, overconfidence, inequity, and the regulatory unknown — while making a powerful case for whole person care and why health and wellness coaches are the missing link between the clinic and lasting human change. He's not a pessimist. He's a pragmatist. And his closing thought? These days, we're finally asking better questions.

From Wild West to Apple Store and Why The Profession Isn't Going to Solve AI Alone

Susan Caesar is the first-ever Chief AI Officer at the International Coaching Federation and founder of Humane Org. Her career has had one red thread: being human. And her message to the coaching profession right now? You don't have to figure this out alone.

In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, Susan makes a passionate case for community as the antidote to overwhelm — AI circles, chapter conversations, shared learning — because the coaching profession's greatest strength has always been how it shows up together. She also pulls no punches on big tech's accountability problem, draws a hard line on "AI is not a coach," and shares ICF's vision for where the profession is heading: a marketplace like the Apple Store, programming like Netflix, and a community that's finally moving from fear to action.

What if AI isn't pushing us away from our humanity but is forcing us back to it? Dr. Anna Tavis, co-founder of the NYU Coaching & Technology Summit, joins Rebecca Rutschmann to mark five years at the intersection of coaching and technology. From a handful of masked startups and early scale-ups in 2022 to CHROs from Netflix and IBM rethinking everything — the landscape has transformed, and coaches can no longer afford to watch from the sidelines.

Anna makes the case that coaching is the antidote to automation. And that the next frontier isn't just the boardroom, it's health, education, and the whole of human life.

A conversation about technology, humanity, and what it means to shape the future rather than be shaped by it

Health coaching is growing fast — wearables are tracking everything, AI is entering the wellness space, and more people than ever are looking for support beyond the clinic. But who's making sure any of it actually works? Deanna Fournier and the National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching are.

In this conversation, Deanna unpacks why a rigorous credentialing body isn't bureaucracy — it's protection. Protection for clients navigating a market that's moving faster than its standards. She makes the case for why health coaching belongs inside healthcare systems, not alongside them, and why the explosion of digital health tools only makes the human, credentialed coach more essential — not less.

There are 120,000 certified coaches on the planet. There are 4 billion people who could use one. And right now, it's tech companies — not coaches — who are deciding what coaching means for all of them.

Lewin Keller, founder of CoachBot.ai, joins Rebecca Rutschmann for one of the most honest conversations in this series. A former Google engineer turned coach turned AI builder, he pulls no punches on the responsibility gap in AI coaching, the design mistakes organisations make, and why coaches who are sitting on the sidelines are running out of time.

This is the wake-up call the profession needs — delivered with passion, data, and zero filter.

Woody Woodward, Chief Coaching Officer at BetterUp and co-author of The Digital Coaching Revolution, leads the world's largest coaching network across 70 countries. In this conversation, Woody shares what the world’s largest coaching dataset reveals about effective practice and introduces BetterUp's new data-driven GUIDE framework.

We explore why 51% of employees want a blend of human and AI support, how digital tools actually increase human engagement, and why optimism is a critical mindset for coaches today. Woody provides a grounded perspective on the responsibility of guiding professionals through complex transitions and what it means to humanize the experience of work.

Episode 4 Nicky Terblanche

What if the true measure of AI coaching isn’t how perfectly it mimics human empathy, but how effectively it leverages structured psychological frameworks?

Nicky Terblanche has been building the empirical evidence base for AI coaching long before the rest of the world paid attention. A former software engineer turned executive coach and academic, Nicky recently received the prestigious Anthony Grant Award for Research Excellence in Boston.

In this conversation, we explore his most surprising findings: why a CBT-based AI outperformed traditional GROW models, why users prefer a slightly more directive digital counterpart, and why the working alliance with a chatbot matters far less than we think. Nicky provides a masterclass in separating empirical evidence from industry hype.

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