The Edge of Human & AI — Where Human Potential Meets Artificial Intelligence

The Edge

of Human & AI

Coaching is changing. AI is here. And nobody has all the answers yet. This is the podcast for coaches, leaders, and thinkers who want to go deeper than the hype — into the real questions about what it means to be human in an age of intelligent machines.

Bold conversations. Uncomfortable edges.
No easy answers. Welcome to the Edge.

Season 1 - Special

We are starting our podcast with this special season from the Leading Voices of the NYU Coaching & Technology Summit 2026. We will bring you bold, unfiltered conversations at the frontier where coaching meets technology and artificial intelligence. Expect real talk, sharp minds, and unfiltered conversations where we dare to ask the difficult questions.

The Edge of Human and AI. Season 1 Artwork for Leading Voices with NYU Photo of Rebecca Rutschmann

Season 1 - Leading Voices

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Ep. 7 57:11

Dr. Christina Mühlberger is a researcher in the social psychology team at the University of Salzburg, a certified coach, and a PSI trainer. Her work centres on self-regulation and inner alignment, and she is now running a large study that compares human coaching, AI coaching and a self-coaching booklet. Her question is a hard one: when the coach is an AI, who carries the process? In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, she explains why handing the process to a human coach is something we do without thinking, and why with an AI the client may have to take it back. Her team briefs every participant before they start: it's your responsibility how you use this system. Challenge it. Ask for what you want. The risk is that humans lean toward the pleasant, and an AI that follows our lead can follow us away from the discrepancy, which is where coaching happens. Her research also points to a paradox on empathy: clients who perceive more empathy report better success, while coaches' own empathy ratings show no such link. What you'll take away: Why AI coaching may shift responsibility for the process from the coach to the client, and why briefing the user matters The difference between self-regulation and self-access, and what AI coaching can already support Why a positivity bias can pull an AI conversation away from the discrepancy Inner democracy versus inner dictatorship: self-regulation as integration, self-control as obedience The empathy paradox: what clients value that coaches underrate, and why imagining the other person's view matters Which responsibilities must stay in human hands: designing the system, checking whether it's really coaching, and briefing the client Links & Resources: Dr. Christina Mühlberger on LinkedIn University of Salzburg, Social Psychology team website Fostering self-development through AI-based coaching: Mechanisms of inhibition, activation, and intrinsic motivation Exploring self-regulation and self-access in AI-based coaching: The impact of the coaching relationship and self-disclosure (Springer, 2026)  Fostering self-management competencies through AI-based coaching: mechanisms of inhibition and approach motivation, and intrinsic goal motivation (Taylor & Francis, 2026) Viva la Coaching League of Rebels & Coaching Lab Sessions The Edge of Human & AI

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Ep. 6 01:04:10

with Yannick Jacob

Yannick Jacob is an existential coach, coaching psychologist, lecturer at the University of Cambridge, and Director of the International Centre for Coaching Supervision — and he is on a mission to modernize how coaches reflect, learn, and grow. In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, he tackles the uneasy tension between traditional coaching supervision and the rapid rise of conversational AI. Moving past the fear of algorithmic replacement, Yannick makes a grounded case for AI as an everyday reflective assistant — one that bridges the gap between client sessions and human supervision without losing the messy, somatic, and ethical depth that only two humans in a room can hold. What you'll take away: Why coaches are already turning to AI for post-session debriefs — and what that means for traditional supervision models The "sycophancy trap": why AI's urge to please undermines the productive discomfort required for existential growth How supervisors can design their own AI assistants to support supervisees between monthly sessions The future of accreditation: why coaching bodies will soon have to define and certify "AI-assisted reflective practice hours" The boundary between cognitive reflection and the somatic "felt sense" that algorithms cannot replicate Resources & Links: Guest Profile: Yannick Jacob | LinkedIn | Email: yannick@iccs.co / 42@existential.coach AI Prompts: AI Reflection Partner Prompt Template (Google Doc) Supervision School: International Centre for Coaching Supervision (ICCS) Book: Existential Coaching: A Journey by Yannick Jacob Reflective Practice Tool: Aliza AI Reflective Partner (tested in the Viva Coaching Labs) Standards: ICF Coaching Supervision Competencies Community: Viva la Coaching League of Rebels & Coaching Lab Sessions Host: Rebecca Rutschmann | The Edge of Human & AI

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Ep. 5 01:01:28

with Dr. Olivier Malafronte

Dr. Olivier Malafronte launched one of the world's first AI coaching platforms in 2016, completed his PhD researching real-world leadership AI dialogues at the University of Côte d'Azur, and leads the Coaching Coalition's AI Glossary of Terms across the ICF, EMCC, and AC. In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, Olivier moves past the simplistic "human vs. machine" rivalry to map out the true future of the field: a contextual dance where clients fluidly transition between ambient AI reflection and deep human coaching. Drawing on a decade of empirical research, he explores why leaders value the non-judgmental neutrality of algorithms, how conversational AI can actually expand human empathy, and why the global industry must urgently agree on shared terminology to protect the integrity of coaching. What you'll take away: The "contextual dance": how coachees navigate between 24/7 AI reflexivity and relational human depth Findings from 150+ leadership conversations: how AI triggers cognitive and affective self-regulation Why the absence of social friction allows leaders to express vulnerability they hide from colleagues How coaching psychology principles can serve as the ultimate guardrails for AI development Inside the Coaching Coalition: why defining an "AI Glossary of Terms" is essential for the future of coaching Resources & Links: Guest Profile: Dr. Olivier Malafronte | LinkedIn Profile | Dr. Olivier Malafronte ICF profile Platform: Magif.ai Platform PhD Doctoral Dissertation: Malafronte, O. (2025) – Developing Leader Competence in Situation through Artificial Intelligence and Coaching, Université Côte d'Azur | Research & Dissertation Overview Faculty & Academic Profile: Dr. Olivier Malafronte | Université Côte d'Azur / IAE Nice Standards & Ethics: ICF Artificial Intelligence (AI) Coaching Framework and Standards Glossary Initiative: The Coaching Coalition & The AI Glossary of Terms | CoachNova AI Glossary Theoretical Framework: Rabardel, P. (1995) – Instrumental Genesis & Ergonomics Theory | Activity Theory Framework Overview Research Study on Trust: Leavitt, Barnes, et al. – Employee Trust in Algorithmic Management vs. Human Managers (Academy of Management Review) | Research Article Host & Academy: Rebecca Rutschmann | Viva la Coaching Training Program: AI Coaching Experience Designer Program

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How AI Is Forcing the Leadership Shift We Were Never Prepared For | with Sheila Boysen-Rotelli

What if the most critical shift required of leaders today isn't learning a new technology, but letting go of the need to be the expert?

Sheila Boysen-Rotelli — organizational consultant, academic, and researcher at BTS — has spent 15 years studying the future of work. Today, she watches it arrive in real time across boardrooms, higher education, and executive coaching. In this conversation, Sheila and Rebecca explore why AI is a developmental disruption rather than a purely technical one—forcing us to examine how our professional identities adapt when inherited expertise is no longer enough.

Together, they unpack the uncomfortable friction within traditional learning institutions, how AI-driven innovation emerges from unexpected corners of organizations, and what it truly takes to transition from expert to lifelong learner. Grounded in Sheila’s own lived experience, this discussion offers a candid look at range, personal growth, and meeting people where they are in an AI-shaped world.

What "Client-Centered" Actually Demands in the Age of AI | featuring Jonathan Reitz

What if the biggest barrier to AI in coaching isn't the technology — it's the coach?

Jonathan Reitz has spent 29 years coaching leaders and building coaches. With a wildly unlikely backstory spanning electrical engineering, stand-up comedy, radio, and TV news—and an ADHD diagnosis just two years ago that finally explained all of it—he brings a unique perspective to our industry. Now a leading voice at the NYU AI Summit and ICF Germany, Jonathan joins Rebecca for an honest, unfiltered conversation about what "client-centered" practice actually requires of us today.

Together, they explore why humility—not methodology—is the single greatest predictor of coaching success, why clients are often more comfortable with AI in coaching than coaches themselves, and what responsible AI use looks like in practice, including the one clause that must be in every coaching contract. They also unpack a German word that stopped a 29-year coaching veteran cold, and confront a critical question about silence that the coaching world rarely answers directly. If you coach, lead, or care about human transformation in an AI-shaped world, this episode offers vital orientation.

AI Is Here to Stay — But So Are We | featuring David E. Cooley

AI Is Here to Stay — But So Are We | featuring David E. Cooley

What if the best way to amplify your humanity as a coach is to let technology handle the administrative weight?

David E. Cooley, Director of Alumni Career Services and Executive Coach at the UCLA Anderson School of Management, bridges the technical execution of AI with the deeply human art of presence. In this conversation, David shares how integrating intelligent tools like AI note-takers removes friction from the session, allowing practitioners to show up fully attentive and connected with their clients.

We look closely at the shift happening in executive development: navigating the "electronic black hole" of modern job applications, closing the gap between AI resistors and over-reliant users, and why starting with small, meaningful habits is the ultimate strategy to overcome professional overwhelm. David offers a grounded, reassuring roadmap for leaders and coaches ready to build sustainable, future-ready practices.

Viva la Humans: AI, Regulation, and Reinvention - Expanding the Conversation after NYU Coaching & Technology Summit 2026 (LIVE Recording)

What if the most critical question facing the future of coaching isn’t about the capability of AI, but about the identity of the coaching profession itself?

In this special Guardians LIVE episode, Rebecca and members of the Viva la Coaching community deliver an honest, unfiltered debrief from the 5th Annual NYU Coaching & Technology Summit. They look past the initial noise to explore the maturation of intelligent tools, the growing discussions around industry regulation, and why the traditional coaching session may be coming to an end. It is a grounded reflection on how coaching competencies can be broadened to serve as one of the most essential human skills of our time.

High-Performance Parenting - Balancing Leadership, Wellness & Family

Join Rebecca as she sits down with Neal Sundberg (Director of Care Programs at Brightline) and Nicholas Wooters (Co-Founder of Coya) during a Webinar for a deeply personal conversation about thriving as a leader both at work and at home.

Discover how wearable technology paired with health coaching creates powerful insights for managing stress, setting boundaries, and showing up fully in every role. This special request episode explores why self-care isn't selfish, it's essential modeling for your children and the foundation of sustainable high performance.

How Can We Make Care More Intelligent Without Making It Less Human?

Dr. Moain Abu Dabrh is a medical humanist, researcher at Mayo Clinic, and board member at the National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching — and he's been asking one question his entire career: How can we make care more intelligent without making it less human?

In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, he unpacks four real concerns about AI in healthcare — dehumanization, overconfidence, inequity, and the regulatory unknown — while making a powerful case for whole person care and why health and wellness coaches are the missing link between the clinic and lasting human change. He's not a pessimist. He's a pragmatist. And his closing thought? These days, we're finally asking better questions.

From Wild West to Apple Store and Why The Profession Isn't Going to Solve AI Alone

Susan Caesar is the first-ever Chief AI Officer at the International Coaching Federation and founder of Humane Org. Her career has had one red thread: being human. And her message to the coaching profession right now? You don't have to figure this out alone.

In this conversation with Rebecca Rutschmann, Susan makes a passionate case for community as the antidote to overwhelm — AI circles, chapter conversations, shared learning — because the coaching profession's greatest strength has always been how it shows up together. She also pulls no punches on big tech's accountability problem, draws a hard line on "AI is not a coach," and shares ICF's vision for where the profession is heading: a marketplace like the Apple Store, programming like Netflix, and a community that's finally moving from fear to action.

What if AI isn't pushing us away from our humanity but is forcing us back to it? Dr. Anna Tavis, co-founder of the NYU Coaching & Technology Summit, joins Rebecca Rutschmann to mark five years at the intersection of coaching and technology. From a handful of masked startups and early scale-ups in 2022 to CHROs from Netflix and IBM rethinking everything — the landscape has transformed, and coaches can no longer afford to watch from the sidelines.

Anna makes the case that coaching is the antidote to automation. And that the next frontier isn't just the boardroom, it's health, education, and the whole of human life.

A conversation about technology, humanity, and what it means to shape the future rather than be shaped by it

Health coaching is growing fast — wearables are tracking everything, AI is entering the wellness space, and more people than ever are looking for support beyond the clinic. But who's making sure any of it actually works? Deanna Fournier and the National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching are.

In this conversation, Deanna unpacks why a rigorous credentialing body isn't bureaucracy — it's protection. Protection for clients navigating a market that's moving faster than its standards. She makes the case for why health coaching belongs inside healthcare systems, not alongside them, and why the explosion of digital health tools only makes the human, credentialed coach more essential — not less.

There are 120,000 certified coaches on the planet. There are 4 billion people who could use one. And right now, it's tech companies — not coaches — who are deciding what coaching means for all of them.

Lewin Keller, founder of CoachBot.ai, joins Rebecca Rutschmann for one of the most honest conversations in this series. A former Google engineer turned coach turned AI builder, he pulls no punches on the responsibility gap in AI coaching, the design mistakes organisations make, and why coaches who are sitting on the sidelines are running out of time.

This is the wake-up call the profession needs — delivered with passion, data, and zero filter.

Woody Woodward, Chief Coaching Officer at BetterUp and co-author of The Digital Coaching Revolution, leads the world's largest coaching network across 70 countries. In this conversation, Woody shares what the world’s largest coaching dataset reveals about effective practice and introduces BetterUp's new data-driven GUIDE framework.

We explore why 51% of employees want a blend of human and AI support, how digital tools actually increase human engagement, and why optimism is a critical mindset for coaches today. Woody provides a grounded perspective on the responsibility of guiding professionals through complex transitions and what it means to humanize the experience of work.

Episode 4 Nicky Terblanche

What if the true measure of AI coaching isn’t how perfectly it mimics human empathy, but how effectively it leverages structured psychological frameworks?

Nicky Terblanche has been building the empirical evidence base for AI coaching long before the rest of the world paid attention. A former software engineer turned executive coach and academic, Nicky recently received the prestigious Anthony Grant Award for Research Excellence in Boston.

In this conversation, we explore his most surprising findings: why a CBT-based AI outperformed traditional GROW models, why users prefer a slightly more directive digital counterpart, and why the working alliance with a chatbot matters far less than we think. Nicky provides a masterclass in separating empirical evidence from industry hype.

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