The Art of Becoming a Mature Coach | with David Drake

There's a moment when competency stops being enough. You know the techniques. You've logged the hours. You've helped people move. And still — something in you knows there's a further shore, and the models you've mastered can't take you there. David Drake has spent 30 years mapping what lies beyond mastery. As the creator of Narrative Coaching and author of the forthcoming Five Maturities, he has been building a language for something most coaches can feel but rarely name: the difference between getting better at what you do — and becoming something different altogether. This conversation is about that becoming. In this episode, Rebecca and David explore: Why maturity is not just more mastery — and how competency models take you from novice to adequate but never to wise The Five Maturities framework and what it actually asks of a coach willing to move beyond identity and defensiveness The Third Spaces model — and why staying in the ping-pong match keeps us circling the same carousel What a rappelling guide taught David about presence, and why your feet know things your head doesn't How AI will reshape the coaching landscape — and what that frees humans to finally become And the question David returns to throughout his work: What is calling you? This is a conversation for coaches who suspect the horses could run — if they'd just let them off the carousel. Resources: David runs the Moment Institute: themomentinstitute.com His personal website: www.davidbdrake.com  His book on the Five Maturities is out in August 2026